The
Design Defect of the Benelli Super Black Eagle 3
Opinion by Randy Wakeman
SBE3
owner A: “When aiming it should hit at that spot, not a foot
high plus. I had 3 other people try it and all shot the same. They
threw in a bigger bead and said I can put this on the help it shoot
lower on the water etc. Try shooting a gun that patterns like this at
a turkey head. Where do you aim at each distance? Maybe I have a bad
one, but just wanted to let you know what you may get. One of the
guys at Benelli said once he learned to shoot his like this, no
problem. I asked him what if you shoot different guns, do I relearn
every time? If this is the new Benelli's, I guess I am through with
them.”
SBE3
owner B: “Patterned mine this afternoon with 6 different types
of ammo out of the factory ic and mod. For one disappointed in the
factory chokes, which has almost become accepted these days even in a
close to 2000 dollar gun, makes you wonder if the big B's get a d****
kick back from aftermarket chokes to send a gun out with such
terrible chokes. The worst part though is my gun is also shooting a
foot high with i would say a 95/5 pattern at best.”
SBE3
owner C: “So went out and patterned my SBE3 today and mine
shoots 100% high with my jebs choke next week I am going to shoot it
with the full choke and see what it does at 20 yards. I thought it'd
be a little high but most loads I shot were high with 2-6 pellets at
the POA. This is kinda ridiculous if you ask me, I used the jebs
choke the stock extended mod and a Carlson cremator mid range. All
shot high.”
"I
bought a SBE3 about a month ago. 1st time I took it out seemed to
fringe hit the ducks. Finally had to shoot at a cripple on the water.
He was about 40 yrds out. Shot at him a couple of times & couldn't
see where the BB's are hitting... Took it to a pattern board & it
was shooting way high. I have shot all kinds of shotguns & several
benelli's... I was using a 34X34 in piece of paper with a 3in bullseye.
At a measured 35 yrds half of the pattern was at the top of the paper
the other half over the paper. I tried different chokes etc. Called
Benelli, they said they are made to shoot like that.To make a long
story short sent it back & they said gun is fine, within their
parameters."
SBE3
owner D: "Then SBE III had just come out. The design selling points seemed to
address the latter design annoyances. I bought an SBE iii with high
hopes... and decided to check the POI and
pattern of my SBE III.
I can report that my results are the same as
others report. I shot from a bench rest with no wind or into a head
wind. the 3 shot pattern averages POI are 100/0, 12" high and 3" left at
21 yards with full choke and 1oz of 6s. POI with Brenneke slugs at 30
yards results are 15" high and 2" left and a 2" group. 00 buck also
printed 15" high and 2" left. The results reveal a missed/wounded deer, a
missed turkey, missed/wounded small game, or a missed threat. I
conclude that my SBE III is precise and pathetic. I have zero confidence
with SBE III "scatter gun" in the field, at the range, or in my home. I
have pictures of my results and have sent the images to Benelli with
request for an RMA."
SBE3
owner E: "Here is one of my SBE3 patterns at 20 yards." (twenty
yards, 3 inch Blind Side steel shot, using factory modified extended
choke)
SBE3 Owner F: "I happen to have bought one of these guns when they came out and it shoots so
high it is worthless. I love everything else they did and the things they did
change were desperately needed. I also have a brand new SBE II waterfowl edition
and it shoots spot on. I am going to send it back to Benelli. Do you have any
advise for me when describing my problem and yes I did change the shims and
still have to aim way under 23 yard targets to get a clean break. I just don't
understand how they could flub this so badly."
What is going on? Well, the Benelli patent published on
October 1, 2003 offers the explanation. Inventor Luciano Burigana had
the collapsing gap in his “stock for firearms” which later was
sold as the “Comfortech” stock. The images from the patent tell
the story.
The
original Comfortech stocks were fairly rigid, however, and didn't do
much. The later generation of Comfortech stocks, the Comfortech II,
offered more flex (as installed in my M2) and did a far better job of
managing recoil. For the SBE3, the Benelli brand of Beretta has the
Comfortech 3. Benelli says “The
chevron size and location has been optimized on Comfort Tech 3.”
The SBE3 stock has far
more flex than previous Comfortech attempts and is more comfortable
to shoot as a result. I can readily feel the difference with 1-1/8
oz. target loads. The unintended consequence of this is not taking
the extra flex and more rapid stock gap collapse into consideration
when machining the receiver. As a result of the close to instant
collapse of the stock gap, the patterns throw excessively high, over
the heads of turkeys, potentially crippling ducks with only the
lowermost portion of the pattern, and so forth.
The Benelli Nova
Comfortech stock, above, has far less flex, does little for recoil
attenuation, but also does not create nasty point of impact issues,
either.
SBE3 buttstock
Many shotguns don't shoot
to point of aim, to be sure. I actually prefer a hunting shotgun that
throws slightly high. The “60/40” pattern that some like to talk
about is only putting the center of the pattern three inches high at
40 yards. A 100 / 0 pattern is not an acceptable wingshooting
pattern, as that is fifteen inches high at 40 yards.
As shooters are tragically finding out, the radically skeletonized
buttstock of the Benelli SBE3 is a jellyfish, essentially
guaranteeing not only an excessively high point of impact, but an
inconsistent point of impact as well, ever-changing in concert with
load intensity.
Reportedly Benelli's
"official specs" are 0 - 6 inches high at 21 yards, within 4 inches of
the bull horizontally, also at 21 yards. You can call that type of
attempt at a tolerance what you wish: I just have to call it a nasty
mess.
Above, a Benelli SBE3
test pattern from Benelli USA, 21 yards / Full Choke / Winchester AA ammo, after a failed repair attempt including a new
barrel. This is, according to Benelli USA, "shooting within spec."
It
is a level playing field here. Unless otherwise claimed, shotguns
should shoot approximately to point of aim at 40 yards. Dedicated
trap guns most often shoot 60/40 to 70/30, meaning about about 3
inches to 6 inches high at 40 yards.
If
my Fabarm L4S Grey Hunter threw more than three inches high at 40
yards, it would be defective. It doesn't. If my Remington V3's,
Browning B-80's, Benelli M2's, Browning Automatic-Fives, Mossberg
SA-20, 870 Wingmasters, Browning Cynergy's, Beretta A303's, or any of
the five Browning Maxus models tested threw significantly more than
three inches or so high at 40 yards, they would also be defective.
They do not.
Any
hunting shotgun that blows patterns 8, 10, or 12 inches high at 40
yards is wildly defective, regardless of who made it, who owns it, or
where it was made.
December Update:
Randy: Just wanted to thank you for your articles on the super black eagle 3 and it’s defect in shooting high! In early fall I drove a days journey to get to a gun shop that had one in stock. I traded in my SBE 2 and paid about a thousand dollars to boot to get the #3. Now I regret it and wish I could have my old gun back. When I first got it I went trap shooting and did the worst ever in accuracy and the shooting coach there said I was shooting high on them all. I’ve had the worst pheasant season, working hard with my dog to find sparse birds and then missing most, which is unlike me. Explain that to your dog or wife who loves wild game! I’ve patterned the gun several times, always shooting high and a few inches to the left. I did the whole shim adjustments which helped a little, not much. I use the gun also for ducks, geese, and turkey and dread being disappointed there too.
My plan now is to call the salesman and see if I can get money back. I’ll probably go back to a SBE 2 even though I liked a lot of features of the 3 such as lighter weight, no Benelli click, less recoil etc. Any other suggestions?
Thanks again!!!!!! Pastor Lynn Potter
Apparently, now close to a year later, the problems persist and Benelli is doing nothing about it. There is scant little evidence that Benelli cares about their customers or the brand-damaging, loudly defective product they shamelessly take good money for.
Copyright 2017 by Randy Wakeman. All Rights Reserved.